Well I've had bad experinces with Athiests. I was beaten by every single kid in my school for 5 years because m=of my Christianity. Finally, when I came home with 3 broken ribs, a broken nose, a broken wrist, and a broken leg, we moved.
I apologise to "SoundsLikeABadIdea" for the massive TL-DR on this page...I guess when these crazy debates begin, they just mushroom out of control. The whole thing would have ended far quicker if a certain young man would have just said: "Pah! I don't care!"
PS I guess a certain not so young man could have also just ignored him...
Well, no one really knows true the nature of reality, regardless of age. No one can. I am no exception. I do claim to know God, however. Mom and dad never preached anything to me. They always told me that if you find Christianity to be unreasonable, then to abandon the faith. I have not found Christianity to be unreasonable. Therefore I am still a Christian. However, the reasons why I believe has no bearing on whether God exists or not, not to mention how insulting not only to me, but to my parents, that statement was.
All of those aspects you have mentioned can be from false believers, this is true, but they can also be from fanatics. They take the teachings of their faith and distort it. However, that says nothing about the faith itself. It tells us that there are lousy followers, but it proves nothing about God's existence or inexistence.
Humans are indeed easily controlled. And that's a fact for anyone and everyone. Humans are social creatures. However, we ultimately choose what controls us. We DO have free will and we do have the ability to control who controls us, that is, not only can we be controlled, but we an also control. You seem to think control is a bad thing, however, it can also be a good thing. I let God take control because he is real, he's saved me, and he knows what's best for me. If what someone says is true, then it is probably worth following. All you've said is that people are controlled, and you haven't explained to me how that's a bad thing. All I can say is "thank you, Captain Obvious."
I'm sure even they were influenced. Whether they chose to aquiese to those influences is another matter, and if that influence is correct, that is yet still another thing. Their influence was God. Even famous atheists too have been influenced. The question of influence really is irrelevant. What is relevant is if it is true. Who cares if someone is "controlled"? The question the skeptic should ask is 1) Is that influence correct, and 2) is that influence dictative, demanding total submission, or does it allow for independent thinking and questioning of its principles? Christianity is the latter, so it is a fair influence.
Well, fallacies do have to be addressed, but you have your share of fallacies as well, I am sorry to say.
Looks like your transition into realising the way things really are will be a tough one, young sir.
Listen. I am not about to enter into a huge discussion about the nature of your personal reality. I am not here to dispose of fantasies you choose to live with. And I know you can say the same back to me. But I am not the one desperately trying to justify a relgious viewpoint that has not even a shred of proof in it. How does a young man come to such sure wisdom about gods, etc? (if you say the bible, then you have much still to learn)...
But don't let me stop you. Please enjoy your ideas of god, as I would never be the one to tell you not to. Go and be happy with it. We have different realities. That should not lead to conflict.
I am confident in my atheism. I have absolutely no desire to make you have my views...Why would I?
And one more thing.
The universe is huge. Far beyond anything you or me can imagine. (cliche, I know, but a fact...) We are a tiny species clinging to a little ball in space. Do you think a god or similar ultra-being is so petty that he/she/it would care if a species of bacteria like Man obeys some primitive code of laws allegedly written by him? Why does a god need laws? Why does he need 'our' servitude?
Speak for yourself. Age doesn't matter. Truth does. Just because I don't know as much as you, doesn't mean my beliefs are false. I know people far older than you who are very intellectual and wise people that are Christians. Bottom line: playing the age card is probably the worst cop-out argument out there. It makes the arguer seem prideful, and it's also irrelevant to any discussion.
Why talk about "personal reality?" There's no such thing. There's only one truth. I am neither desperate, nor trying to justify something. If I was really trying to justify something, I would have said that all the atrocities committed by "religious" people or fanatics were good things. I'm saying that my faith is the truth. There's plenty of proof for God as well. Prove to me that God doesn't exist. We may have different views of reality, but only one is true. I believe mine to be true. I too am confident in my Christianity, and I would not force my beliefs upon you as well. Indeed, the universe is vast beyond imagination. That alone shows me how much God loves me; even though I should be insignificant, he decided to create us in his own image and love us even though we fall short of his glory. God didn't have to love us, he didn't have to create us. But he did so because he loves us and wants us to be with him. God wanted a people to love and for them to love him. Again, you have missed my point. Faith isn't about rules. It's about a relationship. Morality should result from love and trust for God. God isn't the one who needs laws. It's us humans that need it. And he doesn't need our servitude, either. God isn't bound by humans. We're the ones who are supposed to defer to him.
You appear to have a few misconceptions about Christianity and Christian theology that you should amend. I'll definitely consider what you say, in return, please consider what I say. I'm not going to dismiss your arguments; I take all theological discussions seriously.
As I said, at your age you think you know it all. But you don't.
You talk about there being only one truth? So, how do you know with such certainty? You ask me to prove that YOUR god does not exist? You are the one making a case, not me. I don't need to be convinced of my beliefs. I think we will find that despite all your bluster, that your belief can be easily swayed by the next 'cool' thing that comes along. Teenagers are like that...
Do you think your parroting of all the typical god talk has not been heard before? Do you think it is any more convincing to me? Heard it all a million times, my young warrior. And it gets more silly with each telling. If you read up on the factual origins of these monotheistic religions, you would come to quite similar conclusions...It is all bollox. Cultural icing on the world cake.
Sure, religion can do good. Charity, beautiful art, inspiration. But all these can be done without being a drone too. All YOU seem to be into god for is a way to challenge people and to look clever/tough. A typical manifestation of youthful angst.
You simply don't understand the gravity of my previous post. You go by human rules - What your heroes/parents and friends tell you what to think. I have heard all your kind of talk before, from different mouths. All saying the same tale...
If you want to be some kind of religious follower, that is fine. If you think you know the (so-called) truth, wonderful!
Just don't walk up to person like me, who has learned so much more, and tell me your religious philosophies are superior.
That kind of just makes you look desperate and silly. So if you are quite finished, I'll bid you goodbye.
Please try and think outside the god hive mind. Being religious doesn't mean being ignorant.
I never claim to know it all. There's a ton of things that I have yet to learn. There is one truth, one way or the other. Sir you know NOTHING about me. I follow God not because it's cool, but because he's real. Oh, how you stereotype people. I do not expect that what you have heard is new. It's of little consequence. What I have heard from you isn't new either, and I am not conviced by it. Again, I couldn't care less if I've been influenced by anything. What should matter is that if it is true or not. You are once again drawing an irrelevant conclusion. I don't think I know the truth. I know that God exists beyond a reasonable doubt. It is funny how you think I'm desperate. You're making a straw man of your opponent for yourself. Of course I research and learn from nonreligious sources and sources from other religions. Again, you are drawing a false conclusion about your opponent. I always make it an effort to know my opponents and read their philosophies and learn about their worldview. Therefore, I am a person of faith, but not ignorant.
FINALLY someone else sees the TRUTH!!! My friends who are christian always ask how SOOO many people believe in it if it's fake. All I have to say to them is "What about the Greeks? They would have asked the same thing back then!"
How about asking the same of Hindus, Muslims, and Jews? They'll say THEY'RE right. TRUTH is NO ONE knows the truth! NO ONE is right. The Bible, Koran, and all other religious writings are as true as the others, INCLUDING the Greeks former beliefs. There IS NO certainty in anything, only a guess. If you truly pay attention to the world around you, you could make the same "prophecies" that those writings do. It's not a prophecy so much as a well educated prediction. MAN wrote those books, NOT gods.
somethings different bout the Bible that makes it stand out from all the other books. the bible contains 66 books written by different people during different times, some of them even centuries from each other yet they all point to the same Person, JESUS. thanks for the reply by the way! i'm new here in deviant and i get real giddy and excited when i get a message! thanks! God bless you!
Technically, we're sort of extensions of Jews, however, their civil law no longer applies to us. Apparently we know the truth, but who knows, we may be wrong! You may be wrong too (maybe you're wrong that no one knows the truth). Let me challenge you with one thing. I KNOW that God exists and that his word (The Bible) is really his word. How do I know? I just know it. I don't have to explain myself.